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Inkarr Hashur
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:19:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Alrigh folks, good news. We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore. Ex: You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence and you will now still be able to train Amarr Freighter past 1 as long as you have the skill injected.Hope that's clear - trying my very best 
Any thoughts on how likely it will be that implementing this kind of change with introduce some big bugs? |
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:31:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Bubbleboylol wrote:I know most of you have been here longer then me, but do these changes not worry you at all? I have played almost every MMO out there and this is the only one that me and my friends have stuck with through the years. Eve is slowly shifting to accommodate a different player base then there core players. I say that because if you look at the shift in popular games as World of Warcraft or age of conan both i have played for a long time, they made it so easy to do anything that it's not worth the wait or time to even play anymore. They have pushed out there core players be
cause it got overrun by the ( i want it now players ) and are now trying to make and keep them happy, that play get everything they want and then get bored and move on. i see this happening to EVE slowly and it is sad because working and building anticipation to own and or use a ship and know that anyone else has to put in same time or more time and effort to get the same or better. The whole reason the market is as successful as it is in EVE is due to the fact that it takes months to skill train a ship. Don't forget why there is all these ( stupid repeditive tedious ) little things you have to do is what keeps you ahead of other players and sets each player apart from each other and creates competition between others as most people get lazy, so if the game caters to that then people will get bored because the game will then be to easy and they will ask for ( more ) (new) etc and so on and never be happy. The point is no one will ever be happy so you have to decide when it is just pure laziness or if it really is a problem. ( most the time though it is just laziness ) I am not saying all the changes are bad but some are just way to easy... Mix it up add new skills etc do not take them away from any ship if anything add more. The realism of space and the depth of the skills that go into EVE is what is so intriguing to anyone that starts or is still playing EVE, Do you see pilots flying in real life 747 jets without first learning everything about most every plane including prop planes and small jets before they can even touch a 747? That is my point. I understand it is a game but how many space games offer the realism that EVE offers>?? We like the game hard to play as that is what keeps you and I coming back. If i want an easy game ill go download an app on the ipod or play COD etc. We have many options to play easy games. The people whining about how long it takes is just the type that ( want it now ) and have no patience. I know i would not keep playing if i could just get everything as easy as in WOW or other games the like. As that is why i do not play them anymore and why they have to keep screwing up other games so much because they did not know that they pushed there main player base out.
Good day fellow pilots! Be heard don't let them cater to the LAziessss! +10 on that. As an oldskool gamer I've lost 90% of the titles I used to love this way. Eve is the last one I still play and would be hurt if they would kill it. Last passion I lost this way was Diablo 3 this year. D2 was a fantastic game which took a lot of time to learn and an enormous grind to find what you want. Blizzard just killed it. When I played 3, I had been pumped up and waiting for 6 years. It felt like playing supermario back on the nintendo 8 bit. One directional and simple as ****. I was going to play it together with my 14 year old. He plays COD a lot and I had been telling him how much it sucked for being so simple. After diablo 3 came out I felt so embarrassed about it's quality and simplicity that I didn't even bother introducing him to it. btw. Next title to be ruined is the maxis classic SimCity. Even before release I can see from the gameplay videos that SimCity5 is an oversimplified disaster. It doesn't even include taxsystem and spreadsheets/graphs anymore :(. Please CCP , you have a great community , tolerant , educated , adults averaging 30 , do not ruin this game , do not turn it into a 10 year olds play thing.
I don't see why letting players rush into more expensive ships sooner seems so horrible to you bittervets, it gives you tastier and squishier targets to blow up and more people to sell expensive toys to. Sounds like whining about a nonissue to me. |
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:22:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:
I wish CCP would answer it with a yes. Reimburse people who have BS - V. Many people only have it because its a prerequisite for capitals. If they're changing the prerequisite they need to reimburse those with more than the prerequisite, especially in this case.
Geez Louise. You aren't losing anything with the prereq changes. Asking for reimbursement for BS V makes as much sense as graduating from a university, working in your field for a decade and then asking for a tuition refund for a few credit hours when your university changes the prereqs to one of the courses you took. edit: removed quote spam
This is one of the best responses I've ever seen to one of the more annoying flavors of whining I've seen in this game.
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:24:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:We'll change the way training works so that you can still train the skills you have after change, even if you don't meet the prerequisite anymore. That's excellent to hear. One thing I have a question about is the "if you can fly it now you can fly it after" mantra. What if I can't fly it now, but have the skill? Based on current requirements, if I train up Command Ships right now my skills will allow me to fly two races' worth of Field Command Ships (2 of the 8 available). After the expansion I'll be able to fly all Command Ships from all races (8 of 8) because the requirements change dramatically. Is that correct?
You need the racial BC skills to V as well, and I''m pretty sure you've got that lined up by now, right? CCP won't remove skills you've injected, so you should be ready to sit in the 8 Command Ships once the change goes live. |
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:33:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Freighdee Katt wrote:You would have to post what skills you have now in order to find out if this is correct or not, but . . . maybe. I understand your mistrust in my ability to read prerequisites; this is EVE, after all. If I trained Command Ships now (I'd need to bring Leadership to V and Warfare Links to IV), I could then sit in an Absolution (Amarr Cruiser V, HAC IV, Battlecruiser V) or an Astarte (Gallente Cruiser V, HAC IV, Battlecruiser V). Since I do not have the Logistics skill, I could not fly the other two Amarr and Gallente Command Ships. After the expansion, the requirements on Commands Ships drop to {racial} Battlecruiser V and Command Ships I. This means that I can sit in every Command Ship, since Minmatar Cruiser IV, Caldari Cruiser IV, and a lack of Logistics skills are no longer holding me back. Furthermore, since I would have injected and trained Command Ships before the change, I would not have to train the various {type} Warfare skills. Sounds like quite a deal to me. Inkarr Hashur wrote:CCP won't remove skills you've injected, so you should be ready to sit in the 8 Command Ships once the change goes live. That's exactly what I suspect, it just sounds a little too good to be true.
You also missed how they're adding 4 prereqs for the command ships skill, which you get to skip. That's the nice thing about being a low or mid-SP pilot right now, you get to pick and choose which prereqs you want to use to get into all these skills that are being changed this summer. Command Ships isn't unique in this respect, the entire expansion may seem to good to be true, but its all true. |
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Posted - 2013.02.08 18:38:00 -
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Darkdood wrote:Command ships concern me a little with the way you implemented them. I have a suggestion for a better way to do it???
Primary Skill
Amarr BC V
Secondary Skill
Command Ships I
-- Warfare Link Spec IV
-- 4 x Basic Warfare skills to lvl IV
Tertiary Skill
Armored Warfare Spec IV (obviously different depending on race)
Hmm. I didn't do the exact math but I'm sure that shortens the training time too much which I assume is unacceptable to CCP.
Not sure what to say, but forcing everyone to train the four basic warfare skills to V seems a little excessive.
Your suggestion honestly makes more logical sense while also preventing people like me from grabbing up 8 T2 ships at the same time through a little short-cut. So honestly, its really what CCP should be doing rather than the current suggested implementation. |
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Posted - 2013.02.10 17:02:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Bubbleboylol wrote:Dan' Ehr wrote:You do this without coughing up the skill point difference, I will pod you; you do this and take away ship commands we already possess, I will pod you twice. I demand you cover and compensate older players who have given so much, without who's support these past years you would have no game to change to suit newer players. I agree that these changes provide a streamlined cleanliness, but don't make all the time and effort your benefactors have put into this game for so long amount to waste. That always seems to be the case..... they always forget who and what gave them so much.. they always **** on the people, I love this game but it's slowly getting "streamlined" till it is so streamlined that there is no bumps left to overcome...... Uh, I think you guys are missing something..... Like.... The fact you can still train any skill you already have. And the fact you can fly any ship you have the skill for. The 'pre-requisits' are only needed to inject the skill. So there is no 'Taking away' of anything. Only gaining.
You're talking to bittervets that think injecting logic into the current system is the same thing as casualizing. There's no reasoning with some people.
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Posted - 2013.02.10 19:08:00 -
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ako ako wrote:I salute the Dev's and players who keep on answering the same question over, and over, and over........
The devs could have just locked this thread, deleted it, and made a new sticky answering the question, and kept that sticky locked down as well so the giant message answering that question is the first and only thing anyone sees. |
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Posted - 2013.02.10 19:12:00 -
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Savira Terrant wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:ako ako wrote:I salute the Dev's and players who keep on answering the same question over, and over, and over........
The devs could have just locked this thread, deleted it, and made a new sticky answering the question, and kept that sticky locked down as well so the giant message answering that question is the first and only thing anyone sees. But that would defeat the purpose of this thread, would it not?
It seems this thread is being used for QA of the same Q. In which case the thread's purpose isn't being fulfilled. |
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:22:00 -
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Felicia Xavian wrote:Perhaps I only want one Battle cruiser skill (edit) or maybe none at all - and I qualify for getting all four race BC's.
I have a certain amount of skill points that I want to stay under and maybe the other race BC's will be nothing to me but a clone upgrade burden that I wish not to bare for the duration of my eve career.
This is not the first time that my training has led to be subverted by game-play changes which not only costs me game time to train in vain. My PvP toon only trained BC and Command ship to give bonuses to mining alts that funded him or her ... which was the only way they could before the Orca arrived which by the way arrived just before him or here got the mining leadership skills that were needed to give the bonuses. Which... completely wasted ALOT of my toons TIME (=money) and a continued burden of a substantial higher clone cost.
Now you are telling me that in addition to this waste, I will now be burdened for this SOLO PvP toon 3 additional lvl 5 BC skill points.
It would be nice, CCP if you could find it in your heart to AT LEAST have an option to delete unwanted skills ( a mind wipe) especially when you screw with the entire planning of a toon in such a long-term game as EvE.
It is do-able, and fair. Your changes cant simply be compensated by here ya go refund of some skill points and suck it up on planning your character.
I think I get your issue, and I sympathize, but CCP doesn't seem to want to be doing this on a case-by-case basis. So the simplest and most logical way to handle the SP issue is what they're currently doing. If you're unhappy with it because of clone costs, then that's just on you. An option to simply delete skills you don't want to lower clone costs would be excellent though.
The "wasted SP" argument doesn't hold water though. A year or two ago you certainly seemed to think the Command Ship was worth training even if you needed a lot of "wasted time" to get there. You thought it was ok at the time, and it doesn't suddenly stop being ok just because they removed it later. |
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Inkarr Hashur
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Posted - 2013.02.10 23:42:00 -
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Complete SP reset is in no way needed if they were just able to implement skillpoint deletion |
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Posted - 2013.03.12 21:36:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Bubbleboylol wrote:Well they need to dumb the game down cause it is to hard to play now compared to ten years ago I guess--- So they need to follow the "trend"...  Only a complete Moron would still think that change is about dumbing down after all the information given to the contrary. As a SIDE effect of the streamlining some things (exception: Orca) get slightly easier to achieve, and most of those are not even catered towards new players.
Not to mention these changes give new players and low-SP players MORE opportunity to fail, crash and burn by flying things they aren't ready to fly.
This is directly contradictory with the claim that the changes "dumb down" the game. |
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Posted - 2013.03.13 18:54:00 -
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Lord Fudo wrote:Anyone happy about having to skill up Armor, Siege, Information and Skirmish to lvl 5 for command ships? Thats around 8-9 days each for lvl 5. Think lvl4 is about 24h each.
Also now we have to skill up all these jump drive skills for carriers? I dont give a **** about jump drived. I live in a wormhole. What the **** do i need a jump drive for in there.
I am not the least bit pleased with adding all 4 warfare skills as a prereq for command ships, no. Its silly. You don't need all 4 warfare skills to V to have yourself a functioning and effective booster alt. Jump drives are another matter.
Granted, even with this change the training time to sit a command ship will be even shorter than it is now. I think. So maybe that's a concern CCP had. |
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:42:00 -
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Adeleine, I'd recommend just training into command ships now, because the boosting skills they're adding after the patch hurt more than the leadership skills now. Much more. |
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